[UPDATED] Another Pastor Problem for Obama

Update [2008-5-29 23:23:1 by zenful6219]: I am fed up with Obama supporters on MyDD telling Clinton supporters when it's time to stop talking about the crap Obama is associated with. We'll tell you when enough is enough. If you don't want to read yet another diary about Obama's pastor problems, then don't read any further. Just hit your back button. It's that simple.

Yet another Pastor, one who until recently, was also on the Obama campaign's pastoral advisory committee, has revealed himself as a "problem" child for Obama.

"As I have traveled this country, I've been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that unites us," he said. "That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger's divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn't reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause."

Well, all I can say is at least Obama didn't take as long as he did with Wright to "repudiate" Father Pfleger's hatred. What kind of church is this? Hillary Clinton was right when she said she would have found another church.

Pfleger issued a separate apology Thursday, saying his remarks were "inconsistent with Sen. Barack Obama's life and message, and I am deeply sorry if they offended Sen. Clinton or anyone else who saw them."

What a sack of shit! If Obama had any integrity, he would resign from this sorry excuse for a church. Here are some of the comments for which Pfleger issued his disingenious apology:

“When Hillary was crying … I really don’t believe it was put on. I really believe that she just always thought ‘This is mine. I’m Bill’s wife. I’m white. And this is mine’,” he said, shouting at times. “Then out of nowhere came, ‘Hey I’m Barack Obama’. And she said, ‘Oh damn! Where did you come from? I’m white! I’m entitled! There’s a black man stealing my show’!”

"And then out of nowhere came him, Barack Obama. And she said: `Damn! Where did you come from?! I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show!'

"She wasn't the only one crying!" he said. "There was a whole a lot of white people crying!"

“America has been raping people of color and America has to pay the price for the rape. “

Pfleger’s support of Obama is well known in Chicago. He contributed to Obama’s state Senate campaign during his years in the Illinois legislature. While Obama was a state Senator in 2000, he secured a $100,000 earmark for the ARK Community Center, a center attached to Pfleger’s St. Sabina church.

I've said it many times and I'll say it again. Hillary Clinton will beat McCain in November. I'm losing my optimism for Obama's chances. Let's hope another scandal doesn't pop up for him.



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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (2.00 / 3)

this isn't a scandal.  If he gets caught with a hooker then I will start to worry.


by Xris on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:56:10 PM EST

Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (1.00 / 0)

Listen this is not obama's thinking and these guys at trinity seem to working hard to get him down.

Now having said that two things Obama needs to do

1. drop that church period, so going forth whatever those guys preach is no longer associated w/ obama

2. Obama can show " the class act he truely is" by also saying that I apologize  for what was said to hillary. why? because this fella was on obama's campaign committee up to just couple weeks ago.  

Now if he says that, I guarantee you that many Hillary voters will be deeply impressed ala unity move/ gesture by obama.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:00:53 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

honestly I doubt they will.  People are not going to let any of his church stuff go because its all they got.  People who respond to the game of guilt by association that is so persistent in this primary are not going to vote for obama anyways.  I personally respect the fact that he stays with the church that introduced him to Christ, rather than flee at the first sign of political difficulty.  It shows to me that he has real Faith as opposed to election year fever.  I say all this with the preface that I am not religious at all.


by Xris on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:04:19 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (2.00 / 1)

I respectfully disagree on two points again.

One is by moving away from the church/ dumping it. any crazy stuff said is no longer associated w/ obama. See the case here is not just yet another wacko talk from the church , but that the man making it was also a part of obama's official campaign. He needs to cut them off.

second the church did introduce him to Christ but Christ does not ONLY exist in that church. I dare say ---Christ does not and would NOT appreciate such comments himself....

These guys at that church are totally beyond the pale, they are actively working against obama now.


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:09:49 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

Well I can't speak for Christ so I don't know what he would think about a modern political primary or one of the thousands of churches created to worship him.  

I am just not worried about this stuff.  Maybe I should be.  But I also was not offended with Clinton's RFK comments.  Supporters say dumb crap and with the modern media its impossible to avoid.


by Xris on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:12:20 PM EST
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Senator Clinton has her own church scandal (none / 0)

Senator Clinton has her own little church scandal that the Obama people have been too nice to bring up.

Perhaps we should do it for them.

Anyone interested in talking about a creepy rightwing religious movement known as The Fellowship?


by denniswine on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:25:01 PM EST
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Re: Senator Clinton has her own church scandal (1.00 / 0)

dennis - I'm so close to hiding your comment. But I know another one like you will sprout up in seconds... you missed obama's message totally...


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:29:02 PM EST
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Re: Senator Clinton has her own church scandal (2.00 / 1)

The Fellowship "issue" doesn't have legs, never did. It's baloney, and you probably know it.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:32:08 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

I dare say ---Christ does not and would NOT appreciate such comments himself....

You kidding me?  Read the Old Testament prophets sometime.  They make Jeremiah Wright look like Mr. Rogers.


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by mistersite on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:36:50 PM EST
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Both Obama and the Priest apologized (2.00 / 1)

There really isn't much more to say about this.


by puma on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:56:33 PM EST

Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized (1.80 / 5)

I don't give a crap about an apology. It's easy to apologize, but it's hard to mean it. This is the second man of God from this church, Obama's chosen church, who has had to apologize for hate-filled comments made from the pulpit.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:00:45 PM EST
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Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized (1.00 / 4)

Your concern is touching,  now go back to mcbloggers camp.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:01:53 PM EST
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This priest isn't part of Obama's church (2.00 / 2)

This reverend is a Catholic priest who has his own church.


by puma on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:02:38 PM EST
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Untrue comment. (none / 0)

He's not from Obama's church.


John McCain: He flunked ECON 101.
by Shem on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:09:44 PM EST
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Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized (none / 0)

zenful is a troll. fake outrage is one of the biggest signs.


Obama 08!
by comingawakening on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:43:29 PM EST
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Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized (none / 0)

There's nothing fake about it. I am fucking furious at the people Obama associates with. This isn't the first time the Father has made such remarks. Furthermore, this guy has supported Obama when he was a state Senator, and Obama accepted the support. And, Obama helped get this guy a $100,000 earmark.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:52:06 PM EST
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Re: Both Obama and the Priest apologized (none / 0)

By the way, I should troll rate you for the name calling. But, it's evident how small you really are. It so easy to call someone a troll rather than try to understand why this kind of stuff matters.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:54:26 PM EST
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Really... (none / 0)

It only matters if you are a Republican, or Chris Matthews.

I don't think you're smart enough to be Tweety, so you must be the former.


Users who are excessively bashing the Democratic Party, or being Republican trolls, will be banned.
by Massadonious on Fri May 30, 2008 at 01:52:48 AM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (2.00 / 3)

Thank you for your concern...


accepting McLettuce is like being 9 years old and forced to eat your own cooking
by Sychotic1 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:57:25 PM EST

You're such a liar (2.00 / 5)

"Let's hope another scandal doesn't pop up for him."

No one believes you.  We all know your hope runs in the exact opposite direction.


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:57:33 PM EST

Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

Again, there's only so far one man's words can be used to judge another.

But at least they can't accuse this guy of being a militant black separatist!


No way. No how. No McCain.
by freedom78 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:57:52 PM EST

Snarky serious. Is this a question? (none / 0)


by bobdoleisevil on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:58:22 PM EST

Re: Yet Another (2.00 / 3)

Keep this up and I'll start finding people in Hillary's life you probably don't wanna talk about......

Come on, let this shit go.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:59:41 PM EST

Re: Yet Another (none / 0)

Go for it. If there's real dirt, it should be aired.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:01:55 PM EST
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hahaha "real dirt"! (none / 0)


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:04:09 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another (none / 0)

This is "real dirt"?  A guest speaker said something you don't like?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:06:11 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another (none / 0)

CNN isn't "letting it go." Anderson Cooper ran it.


by soyousay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:02:35 PM EST
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He also said that this probably (none / 0)

won't be a big story for both Obama apologized and the Father apologized.


by puma on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:07:46 PM EST
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Don't blame the messenger (2.00 / 1)

I wrote about this in my diary and was called a Republican....I saw the clip on CNN tonight. It's not going away.


by soyousay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 10:59:59 PM EST

It will be a one day story (none / 0)

By Saturday this won't be a story.  Everybody will be focused on the Florida and Michigan delegates.


by puma on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:01:35 PM EST
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Re: Don't blame the messenger (none / 0)

You probably messed your pants when you saw that on CNN.

Again thanks for your concern.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:02:47 PM EST
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Re: Don't blame the messenger (none / 0)

I'm not concerned; Obama is.


by soyousay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:07:47 PM EST
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Re: Don't blame the messenger (2.00 / 1)

Stop acting like one and using their tactics and talking points, and perhaps we'll think otherwise.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:06:48 PM EST
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He's a white Catholic Priest (none / 0)

Father Pfleger is a black nationalist now?

To be fair, he is Priest of a black Catholic church and has been more pro-black than most other white ministers.


by elrod on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:00:09 PM EST

Re: He's a white Catholic Priest (1.00 / 2)

He's a bigot - he's engaging in racist, and misogynist rhetoric here. And the congregation is going along with it. This says a lot about what Obama's supporters are like.


by glitterannebegay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:03:13 PM EST
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Re: He's a white Catholic Priest (none / 0)

No, it really says nothing about what Obama's supporters are like.  Retract and apologize.


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by mistersite on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:38:53 PM EST
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You never responded or retracted my proof... (none / 0)

that you were wrong.  I wouldn't want to think that you were trolling or anything, so what about the bills that he passed in his first session of the Illinois General Assembly?  Are you going to admit that you were wrong and retract the falsehoods that you wrote?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:59:20 PM EST
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Re: You never responded or retracted my proof... (none / 0)

I didn't ever see any proof from you that the bills were signed into law with Obama as author, nor did I see any description of what the bills were.

You didn't make your case. The fact remains that the first five years Obama had two admendments signed into law - that's it. It's gonna take a lot more than the unresolved page you were providing.

Personally, I don't think you know what you're talking about.


by glitterannebegay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 02:34:20 AM EST
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Personally, I don't think you know about what... (none / 0)

you're talking.  I gave you the Illinois legislature's documents of all the bills introduced in the 1997-1998 session.  I gave you the public law #'s, the bill numbers and the popular names of the bills.  But if that's enough for you how about the NY Times.  They provide three bills (the exact same three bills I told you about) passed in the 1997-1998 session, which were in 1997 a bill to study welfare reform and a bill to help juvenile offenders and in 1998 one of the highest praised ethics law in the country.  But that's not going be enough either right.  Why don't you admit it that you just not open to any evidence that would burst your little fact-free bubble where Obama is evil neophyte?


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 30, 2008 at 06:59:23 AM EST
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I find this priest to be the (none / 0)

equivalent to Hagee and Parsley.  

This priest is NOT part of the Obama campaign.


by puma on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:00:21 PM EST

Except he's unlikely to call Catholicism (none / 0)

"the great whore"


by bobdoleisevil on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:01:17 PM EST
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Re: I find this priest to be the (2.00 / 1)

He's just a buddy.


by soyousay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:01:24 PM EST
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Re: I find this priest to be the (none / 0)

You are a republican, only republicans go after religious people.

I bet Haggee doen't offend you one bit.


http://www.truepat.org/
by CrushTheGOP2008 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:03:59 PM EST
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Re: I find this priest to be the (1.00 / 4)

Obama likes him. He was one of his advisors. this is the kind of judgement your candidate has. he hangs out with the likes of Reverend Wright and Pfliger. He gets elected to the US senate and allows a man under federal investigation for bribery to spend $625 of his own money to benefit obama and no one can specifiy how Rezko stood to benefit.

This is your guy - he hangs out with crooks and bigots.


by glitterannebegay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:05:43 PM EST
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Re: I find this priest to be the (none / 0)

So did Jesus.

And no I'm not comparing Obama to Jesus.  I'm just saying that tolerating imperfect people and seeing the good in them is something Christ would have done.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:07:13 PM EST
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Stop lying (1.33 / 3)


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:07:24 PM EST
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Re: Stop lying (2.00 / 1)

quit calling the commenter a liar unless you're going to prove it.


by slynch on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:15:58 PM EST
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Don't fucking defend a troll (2.00 / 1)

Obama does not "hang out" with crooks and bigots.  Jesus Christ, you're defending this nonsense?


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:39:50 PM EST
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Re: Don't fucking defend a troll (none / 0)

You're making the same comment again and again throughout this diary.  That's trolling.

I realize you don't agree with this commenter, but aside from being hyperbolic, the statement that Obama "hangs out with crooks and bigots" is not completely untrue--the commenter sites specific examples.  To simply call him/her a liar violates the site rules.


by slynch on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:26:36 AM EST
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Wrong (none / 0)

The commenter is lying in each comment, so I call him/her a liar each time.

The other place you troll-rated me I called him/her a liar for saying that this guy called Clinton a "fucking whore".  Also a lie.

That statement IS completely untrue --- "hangs out"?  Really?  What crooks is he hanging out with?  What bigots?

It's a dishonest smear tactic, and you're foolish for defending it.


by Slim Tyranny on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:10:51 AM EST
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Re: Wrong (none / 0)

he wasn't saying that this guy called Clinton a "fucking whore."  He was likening this to the Randi Rhodes episode in which Obama supporters simply laughed--I think you misread his comment.

Like I said, the "hangs out" statement was hyperbolic, but not completely untrue if you consider this pastor, Wright, and Rezko.  This pastor was part of his campaign.  As was Wright, but Wright was also his pastor for 20 years!  And, we all know the shady dealings between Rezko and Obama.

I'm not defending the statements, but they're not any worse than I've seen Obama supporters make about Clinton.  And if I see someone someone simply repeatedly call such a commenter a liar, I TR them as well.

This should be a blog where civil discussion happens, IMO.  From my view, if someone is clearly trolling (like possibly this diarist), just don't feed em.


by slynch on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:30:01 PM EST
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Re: I find this priest to be the (none / 0)

Wow I get to dust off my rating ability for you.  I kind of feel like a jedi from the old star wars movies who is afraid to show his abilities for fear it will get taken away.


by Xris on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:07:32 PM EST
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Re: I find this priest to be the (none / 0)

Awww, a GOP troll. And he's trying so hard! Gosh, I just want to give him a great big hug. Three gold stars for effort, little guy!


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:07:57 PM EST
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Re: I find this priest to be the (none / 0)

Don't call me names or accuse of trolling because I point out historical reality. What you're doing is what Bill OReilly does - it's blog version of "shut up, shut up, shut up".

Your guy hangs out with crooks and bigots and you don't want him being called on it. Don't accuse me of being GOP because you don't have the courage of your convictions.


by glitterannebegay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:45:47 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (2.00 / 3)

You seem so...concerned.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:00:31 PM EST

Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

You are right. I am deeply concerned, but not about Obama. I'm concerned about a Democrat winning the White House. This latest "slip of the tongue" from an Obama associate only hurts his chances of winning.
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:05:07 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (2.00 / 3)

I'm concerned about a Democrat winning the White House.

OOPS! Gee, does it get any more obvious than this, folks?

;)


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:09:48 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

Isn't it funny on Hillary RFK comment we were told to give her the benefit of the doubt. Now people are telling us not to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. If anyone from the Clinton camp or supporters push then you are nothing but trolls. How can you hope Obama supporters will give Hillary the benefit of the doubt when you are going around doing the very thing you complain about? This shames me that anyone would use this against Obama.


by Hillarywillwin on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:01:33 PM EST

Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (1.25 / 4)

If this were a white politician attending a church with rhetoric like this towards African Americans, we would hammer them out of the race. If some white Dem used the "n" word in the course of a race, he wouldn't be allowed back in even if he apologized.

Obama and his supporters are repulsive to everything I understood the Democratic party to stand for. I can't believe anyone is still supporting Obama.

Look at the video tape - that congregation is cheering that man on! It's like the Obama supporters laughing uproariously at Hillary being called a fucking whore. You have to wonder if there is anything that's too far with this crowd.


by glitterannebegay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:01:57 PM EST

Hillary wasn't called a "whore" (none / 0)

in this church at all.


by puma on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:03:43 PM EST
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Re: Hillary wasn't called a "whore" (none / 0)

She was called worse, a racist who was dismayed that a black man was running against her

Whores at least provide a useful service


by katmandu1 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:51:07 AM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

Maybe you should attend a sermon, instead of basing your opinion on 30 second "shock" clips....Then you might have more of a basis of your opinion...


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:04:24 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

I don't think it really matters what else is said.  Given what was said, that's enough to damn the whole sermon.


by slynch on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:13:11 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

I'm not condoning those statements, I also don't like to base a judgement on someone or establishment based solely on what the MSM feeds us thats all.


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:22:19 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (1.00 / 0)

Those remarks are in context. It's not like it's a half sentence here and there - that's the full sermon.

This is misogyny and misogyny is as destructive and anti-life as racism is. This is morally unacceptable rhetoric for a Democratic candidate to be anywhere near. And it's staggering that the congregation is cheering this guy on - how mean-spirited do you have to be to find this socially acceptable rhetoric?

They should have been booing this motherfucker to shut up. Nope, Not Obama supporters. There is no slander you  can hurl Hillary's way in Obama's name that they'll object to.


by glitterannebegay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:53:48 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

Those remarks are in context. It's not like it's a half sentence here and there - that's the full sermon.

This is misogyny and misogyny is as destructive and anti-life as racism is. This is morally unacceptable rhetoric for a Democratic candidate to be anywhere near. And it's staggering that the congregation is cheering this guy on - how mean-spirited do you have to be to find this socially acceptable rhetoric?

Do you understand how ugly this looks to Hillary supporters and why it's almost impossible for us to see Obama in any kind of positive light when he consistently has rhetoric like this being unleashed against his opponent and he never calls it to a halt?


by glitterannebegay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:03:28 AM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

I agree, BUT, I don't think this was out of context (and i see someone else has already said this..)


by slynch on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:16:51 AM EST
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Liar (1.33 / 3)


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:05:23 PM EST
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Uprated, b/c the commenter is lying... (1.50 / 2)

when he/she says that Rev. Pfleger called Hillary a "whore."  Nowhere in that video does Pfleger say that.  That is a bald-faced lie.


John McCain wants you to be poor!
by nklein on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:07:18 AM EST
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Re: Uprated, b/c the commenter is lying... (none / 0)

the commenter isn't saying that--s/he is referring to when HRC was called a f'ing whore by Randi Rhodes and Obama said nothing.


by slynch on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:18:31 AM EST
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Re: Uprated, b/c the commenter is lying... (none / 0)

Obama isn't required to say things when someone, somewhere calls Hillary a name.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 04:13:13 PM EST
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Just did my... (2.00 / 2)

...bills and I have an extra $75...Who should I donate to? Do I split it up? Suggestions...

DNC
Obama
Bob Barr


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:02:29 PM EST

hootie (2.00 / 1)

how about $30 to Obama, $30 to the DNC and $15 to a down ballot candidate.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:17:44 PM EST
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Sounds good... (2.00 / 2)

...I didn't know about the Barr thing...What down ticket candidate do you think?  I'm not to up to date on those things, though I am trying to learn.


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:20:03 PM EST
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Do me a favor, (2.00 / 1)

and give to Harry Taylor (NC-09).  I don't want to be represented anymore by far right-wing Sue Myrick.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SnOFri7fRDU


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:25:02 PM EST
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Give 'Em Hell Harry... (2.00 / 2)

...I love it...and I did $15 for Harry!!


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:33:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Buya! (none / 0)

Nice work!


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:35:54 PM EST
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No Prob, Happily!! (none / 0)

Anybody with the guts to give Dubya some shit, deserves a donation!!!


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:51:34 PM EST
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Are you done yet? (none / 0)

Seriously, are you done?


by DawnG on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:02:39 PM EST

Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

THIS SADDENS ME.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/05/clinton-campa-1.html


The Clinton campaign's communications director, Howard Wolfson, clearly thinks Obama's rejection of Father Pfleger's sermon was lacking.

Wolfson says: "Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics.  We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father's Pflegler's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so."

The Clinton camp shouldn't be using this. I am so ashamed right now of Clinton.


by Hillarywillwin on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:05:16 PM EST

Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

You're kidding right?


by soyousay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:06:19 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

No I am not many jumped on Obama for pushing the RFK comments. Why should anyone be pushing this? This is so wrong and you should remember how upset you were thinking Obama was pushing that Hillary wanted to kill Obama. Now you know that everyone wsa calling it fake outrage. This is wrong. If it was Obama fault then for someone saying it then how can it not be Clinton fault for what Wolf said?


by Hillarywillwin on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:08:17 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

That was a slander that came from drudge. She was discussing the primary going on until June and used that as ahistorical marker. I will remind you that the only person who has actually been arrested for wanted to kill one of the candidates was someone who threatening Clinton. Obama hasn't had threats as serious a that leveled against him, and it was Clinton volunteeers that were held hostage. To ignore all that, and pretend that she was wanting to see him murdered, is just fucking preposterous. It came from Drudge - that's all you need to know. What the Obama camp did was take a smear from Drudge.

This is bigotry of the worst kind - it is totally unacceptable. This is where obama takes his kids to church - and no, it doesn't matter whether they were there that Sunday or not. This is an unacceptable tie for a Democratic candidate to have. And the fact taht Drudge cooked up a smear against Clinton that the Obama campaign ran with doesn't make it any less bigoted.


by glitterannebegay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:14:18 AM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

S/he must be.

After the way this campaign has gone and the way Clinton has gone out of her way to exploit any smear, no matter how irrelevant it is to the job of the presidency, nobody should be even the slightest bit surprised that the Clinton campaign is taking yet another irrelevant smear as far as it should go.


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by mistersite on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:42:14 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

Do you not get just how offensive were the remarks this piece of work "priest" made about Hillary? Do you truly not get that?

I've never seen such blatant, and sexist ridicule of a woman politician coming from any kind of real authority figure, least of all from a man of the cloth -- with the single exception of that of Jeremiah Wright himself.

It was simply disgusting, most especially for someone so fervently supporting a candidate like Obama who purports to be trying to "unify" people.

Wasn't this guy officially listed on Obama's campaign until very recently? Is there no responsibility in Obama for what is said by such a person about his competitor?


by frankly0 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:04:07 AM EST
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"Divisive and hateful" (none / 0)

Howard Wolfson, a chief spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, said the remarks were unacceptable and called on Mr. Obama to more forcefully reject the comments.
"Divisive and hateful language like that is totally counterproductive in our efforts to bring our party together and have no place at the pulpit or in our politics," Mr. Wolfson said Thursday evening. "We are disappointed that Senator Obama didn't specifically reject Father's Pflegler's despicable comments about Senator Clinton, and assume he will do so."
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/ 05/29/obama-apologizes-for-another-pasto r-critical-of-clinton/

by soyousay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:05:34 PM EST

What a joke (none / 0)


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:08:13 PM EST
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Re: "Divisive and hateful" (none / 0)

It is divisive and hateful.  Obama apologized and the Father apologized.

It's very sad that Obama has to apologize for anything bad that anybody he has ever known says.

This person has not been part of Obama's campaign for several weeks now.


by puma on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:10:11 PM EST
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Re: "Divisive and hateful" (none / 0)

I didn't know that Hillary and her creeps were jumping all over this in cohoots with the GOP and MURDOCK/SCAIFE NEWZ.

What party does she think she's in?

Divisive and hateful is right. Hillary is pure Republi-slime and the sooner her pathetic campaign is put out of its misery the better for all.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:15:46 PM EST
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Her entitlement complex is divisive (none / 0)

talking about it is just normal.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:16:16 PM EST
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Like Clinton forcefully (none / 0)

rejected Ferraro's comments as "divisive and hateful?" Oh yeah, right.


by batgirl71 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:10:30 AM EST
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Re: Like Clinton forcefully (none / 0)

Ferrraro said nothing hateful - that is a fact. She made the same observation that Obama made about himself and that Kerry made about Obama.


by glitterannebegay on Fri May 30, 2008 at 12:16:53 AM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (2.00 / 1)

A question for Obama supporters. If this is such a non-issue, why are you commenting so diligently?
by zenful6219 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:08:58 PM EST

Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (2.00 / 5)

Because our tear sustain you and we wouldn't want you to starve.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:11:06 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

This is the best comment I've read in weeks.


by rfahey22 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:14:56 PM EST
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We know what can happen (2.00 / 3)

when swiftboaters are left unrefuted.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:11:43 PM EST
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Because we want to show you (2.00 / 2)

what we think about your grave CONCERN after all it is your right to be so CONCERNED that you live in terror of the republicans.  However I believe CONCERN is a waste of time.


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by Student Guy on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:16:09 PM EST
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Re: Yet Another Pastor Problem for Obama (none / 0)

No idea.  My guess is that it's because you seem so concerned...


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by guazatragicness on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:16:17 PM EST
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It's pretty obvious, troll - Because: (2.00 / 1)

all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:16:20 PM EST
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this is why superdelegates exist. (2.00 / 1)

and I hope they use their discretion in picking a nominee. We really need to ask ourselves: "do we want another Al Smith?" Wright was bad enough, but two pastors, they will soon have a case that Obama IS Sharpton and Farrakhan, just like with Smith and the Vatican.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:09:36 PM EST

Re: this is why superdelegates exist. (2.00 / 1)

I usually tolerate your invective, Jay, because while I may disagree with it, it's usually your opinion, and I know you feel strongly about Senator Clinton, which I can appreciate.

That's just frakkin' low, man. You just lost all the respect I had for you.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:11:15 PM EST
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Re: this is why superdelegates exist. (2.00 / 2)

You must have missed his comments about not fully counting the black vote during the primaries.  When pressed on that, he said he just meant we shouldn't fully consider the black vote during the primaries, as if that was better.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:13:55 PM EST
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Re: this is why superdelegates exist. (none / 0)

I did miss that. Disgusting.


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:21:50 PM EST
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Re: this is why superdelegates exist. (none / 0)

Read this stream.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/5/10/2 525/43509/16#16



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:36:12 PM EST
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Yes, and (none / 0)

this was an enlightening exchange, as well. Stuck out in my memory, for obvious reasons.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:52:49 PM EST
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Re: this is why superdelegates exist. (none / 0)

Yes it is -- to end the kind of garbage campaign Hillary has been running for too long.


Anybody's vote is worth having. But not everybody's vote is worth campaigning for.
by Freespeechzone on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:17:38 PM EST
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Re: this is why superdelegates exist. (none / 0)

Yes, please email this to all the SD's.  



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:12:15 PM EST
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The reality is that Hillary's (none / 0)

associations are FAR WORSE than any of Obama's.

The Obama campaign just never "went there" with them.

This also is NOT THE SAME THING as Reverend Wright.  Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years.  This guy was part of Obama's campaign but has been removed several weeks ago.  He is kind of like Hagee and Parsley was to McCain.


by puma on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:12:38 PM EST
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Re: The reality is that Hillary's (none / 0)

too bad no one cares about any of Hillary's "associations." Notice Bill was elected twice. And the reason for that was because while people know politicians know shady people, they dont' expect them to know racists. When you have as many things sounding like they rail against whites, the majority of people and the electorate, it will resonate a lot worse than Norman Hsu. Also, for every Hsu you can find, you can find one for every, EVERY politician. Not true with Wright and Pfleger and Farrakhan.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:23:09 PM EST
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Bill was last elected 12 years ago (none / 0)

if you think nobody would care about something that can be summed up as "Fuckjet" you're out of your mind.


by JJE on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:43:26 PM EST
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Jesus Christ (2.00 / 1)

Farrakhan?  Really?

What a fucking joke.


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:45:22 PM EST
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Re: this is why superdelegates exist. (none / 0)

Catholics weren't really accepted until we saw shitheads line up crosses along the rail line Smith would be taking in the South.  They set those crosses on fire so Smith would feel welcome.

If there are people analogous to the complete and utter tards that elected Hoover because they feared "papists" I've got just one thing to say:

Bring it on.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:14:55 PM EST
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You know that Pfleger is White right? (none / 0)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:15:05 PM EST
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That doesn't matter to some (none / 0)

The key problem for some is that Obama is NOT white.


by Slim Tyranny on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:20:28 PM EST
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Re: You know that Pfleger is White right? (2.00 / 1)

actually, Pfleger being white makes it WAY easier to use him in a commercial. No one will accuse them of being racist is much if they use a white pastor saying things like that than a black pastor, where they can be accused of trying to scare people. in the closing days of a close race, where there is nothing to lose, like Jesse Helms, they will let loose the Southern Strategy.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:24:52 PM EST
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Good point (1.00 / 0)

Pfleger being white makes it WAY easier to use him in a commercial.

Never thought of this.

People who say this is no big deal and will not hurt Obama in the G.E. must not have been through many elections. Like Kerry v. Bush.


by catfish2 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:30:25 PM EST
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You have a lot to learn about America (none / 0)

if you think crazy statements by a white guy will get more attention than crazy statements by a black guy.


by JJE on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:38:53 PM EST
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Re: You have a lot to learn about America (2.00 / 2)

while it won't get more attention when a white speaks in general, it makes it harder for people to accuse you of using race, as opposed to having Wright on the screen to bring out fears of "scary black men." The statements by this guy can bring out racists just as easily by not just the content, but the image of a PC white liberal.


"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States
by DiamondJay on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:43:35 PM EST
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Sure... (2.00 / 2)

Because Wright being black really kept the media away from that story.


by JJE on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:45:08 PM EST
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None of these commenters saw 2004, DJ (1.00 / 0)

I'm not going to waste my time. I swear it's like talking to people from Mars.

Why would this be a problem for Obama? Was a serious question in this diary. Oh lord.


by catfish2 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:50:59 PM EST
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Actually I think it will. Were you here in 2004? (1.00 / 0)

Did you see how easy it was for them to paint John Kerry as a coward and a traitor, based on the fact that he FOUGHT FOR HIS COUNTRY IN VIETNAM?

This will be more potent BECAUSE the guy is white. Then people will have more of an excuse not to vote Obama.


by catfish2 on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:48:01 PM EST
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You have a simplistic view (none / 0)

"scary black man" has much more resonance than "PC liberal."  The media already beat "scary black man" to death.  They're not going to make much of "PC liberal."

Your Kerry analogy makes absolutely no sense.


by JJE on Thu May 29, 2008 at 11:59:03 PM EST
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I suggest you read some history (1.00 / 0)

of elections, where Democrats were painted and are painted as socialists.


by catfish2 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 05:24:54 AM EST
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Why would the GOP care if Pfleger is dissing (2.00 / 1)

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